H.Y.D.R.A. is not a nazi organisation. It’s a secret society with some members who are nazis and for a time it was part of the Third Reich. That doesn’t make it a nazi organisation.
i don’t know what to say to that, i think this person just invalidated their own argument.
I was gone for a long time
stressing over how the second season of Agents of SHIELD is about to start and ruin my life forever has distracted me from stressing about how the second season of Psycho-Pass is about to start and ruin my life forever. hopefully the pain of watching AoS will have me numb to everything when october 9th comes.
skoulson in every episode
→ 1x14 t.a.h.i.t.i.
I love that person who reblogged this to comment on the body of the text how father and daughter Skye and Coulson are. They wrote father/daughter like THREE TIMES in 50 words. That doesn’t even seem genuine. And no, it’s not the first time this person has done this. Nevermind how many posts we make asking people not to do that because we’ve been harassed and we feel uncomfortable with people turning our posts into the opposite of what we intended - which, okay, we can’t police reblog and we don’t want to but we can see stuff people write on the body of the post. No matter how many messages we send people asking politely to stop doing that, no matter how much we tell them to search for platonic stuff which many other people are doing with Skye and Coulson but that our stuff is intended to be romantic, always - and hey, we respect all interpretations but… is it really that hard to understand that we are bothered when people use OUR STUFF to imply we ship incest? No, we can’t police reblogs and we can’t stop people from being dick/passive-aggressive but we sure as fuck can get angry about it.
I’m half tempted to go to this person and reblog all their Coulson/May posts writing on the post how like brother and sister they are and how if you ship them you are gross. But no, I’ll never done that, and I’ll never do that no matter how many times the shippers of the other thing have done this with our stuff (and it has been already so many times, and so many times we’ve asked them to cool it and they have just ignored it or told us that we were being awful just for feeling troubled over their use of stuff we made).
Like seriously, I’m so done with this fandom.
On the other hand “T.A.H.I.T.I.” is amazing and a total copy of The X Files' “Memento Mori” even in structure because lol Jefffrey Bell so there's that. Bless this episode.
Well of course you would not reblog and make those comments on their gifs. Because you’re not threatened by their ship. That is my sense as to most of these types of problematic behavior in the fandom towards Skoulson shippers.
I mean, who are really the problematic ones here? Most of your awesome gifsets are moments from the actual show, not made up headcannon. And that is what Skoulson hate is. The show is, at best, ambiguous. The show doesn’t care about age gaps, either (see: May/Ward).
All I can figure is they hate the ship because one of their ship members is featured in it.
No one is suggesting they should not make up stuff for shipping, or that the show might not give them what they want at some point. But don’t write crap headcannons over a show that has provided an entire season of shipping material, please!
Hopefully, they will watch that Season 2 promo and squirm, though, with Skye being flirty and wanting one-on-ones with her sexy older boss. Because, that would make me happy to know that the show is not going to reward them (yet, if at all). Coulson is not Skye’s dad.
But no one should feel threatened! Skoulson is never happening! Ever! We’ve said it many times.
But we have Nazi/woman-of-color-he-threatened-to-rape shippers telling us to leave the fandom and saying that Skye/Coulson is more unhealthy as a pairing than GW/Skye.
And we have the Coulson/May shippers being passive agressive about the whole father/daughter stuff (which is fine, they are entitled to read it like that if they want, but they go out of their way to let us know how gross we are) and infantilizing Skye.
And we have the rest of the fandom treating us like we don’t deserve to be in this fandom at all. Which is better, at this point. I know FitzSimmons shippers think we are gross but they are decent enough not to tell us to our faces or mock us behind our backs in Twitter,
It’s not about feeling threatened. I feel threatened by Coulson/May, because I know it’s the most likely outcome, no matter what I think about the ship. But I don’t go reblogging stuff from shipping communities with comments about how I see them as brothers-in-arms and platonic comrades with no chemistry and like brother and sister. In fact, until now (seeing as I don’t predict I’ll stay in this fandom much longer who the fuck cares anymore) I never said anything negative about my feelings on the pairing, anything at all, because in a fandom where gross GW/Skye shippers exist I didn’t feel like saying anything about shippers of unproblematic things because I wanted to get on with people who weren’t into Nazi apologia and rape apologia, no matter how our shipping tendencies were.
So no, it’s not about feeling threatened because they should, and also because I feel threatened by them and I have managed not to be a dick about it until now.
I guess if the show blows up your ship, I can see being disappointed, but the narrative is the narrative to me. And declaring any “endgame” the way some of these shippers do when the show is in its second season seems presumptuous to me. So, I don’t feel threatened, I guess, I want my ship to happen or hum along ambiguously, of course. I would probably lose interest in the show if the nature of their relationship was drastically altered, unless there was some narrative magic.
The gross shaming behavior is what gets to me. It’s bullying. Wardstans would try to throw that back in my face, but they are shipping a victim with their abuser (it would be different if it was AU, that is not what they are after) and pretending it’s not that. We all know the grossness they are implying by the father/daughter comments or the ones about their age gap (Woody Allen and Soon-Yi was a recent one, really uncalled for).
My struggle is to not want to rub their faces in all the material the show provides for my ship rather shamelessly, because I know that’s petty. But they don’t get to ignore the narrative and pretend the relationship doesn’t exist and try to write their headcannons over it. Sorry.
It’s obviously fine to want your ship to come out on top, that’s not what this is. This is bullying behavior.
It is bullying, it has always been bullying (they are many and we are just a few). They resent our presence as shippers because they thought fandom was going to be about the Big 3 ships and the fact that we make stuff and talk about canon and we refuse to leave fandom after months of bullying bothers them. And yes, the gross GW/Skye shippers have done the bullying but the rest of the fandom has stood by, and the Coulson/May shippers have added to the pressure with their passive aggressive attacks - hamsterfactor & i don’t publish every ask we get at Fuck Yeah Skoulson! but we got some really insidious ones from obvious shippers.
And my problem with some Coulson/May shippers (obviously I’m generalizing because I personally know some nice ones who would never do this kind of shit) is not as a Skoulson fan, it’s as a Skye stan. They really hate Skye and they think she doesn’t deserve the prominence she has in the show and they do everything they can to erase her - remember that person who reblogged Fuck Yeah Skoulson! posts of scenes between Coulson and Skye and put comments like “May should have been in this scene, not Skye”? That is what pisses me off. And I think it’s pretty awful to pit two women of color against each other like this, specially when they have a positive, interesting and important relationship on canon. If May starts having as many scenes with Coulson as Skye has been having I’m not going to go to their posts and wish that May wasn’t in the picture, because I try not to be a shitty person. Skye gets erased by practically every faction of this fandom, either insidiously like GW/Skye shippers erase her, or simply directly like the rest.
The hatred of some gross GW/Skye shippers I can deal with, though I could have lived without the contant personal harassment, because wanting a heroine of color to end up in canon with the Nazi who threatened to rape her make me not care about their opinions about anything ever, as they are obviously scum. But being so hated by Coulson/May shippers hurts a bit, because by the nature of that ship they should be good guys, the people I was interested in hanging out with in this fandom, so them going out of their way to make us Skoulson shippers (and we are such a small group compared to us, how can they not see how unbalanced this discussion is, how much more force they have) feel like shit stings a lot more than Nazi apologists calling me bully and abuser.
But no really.
If you see a female agent of SHIELD in a show called AGENTS OF SHIELD respond to a year full of abuse, physical violence, and sexual violence by becoming competent as an agent - something she has told us that she wanted for at least half of last season.
and your first thought is
GOSH I BET SHE’S GOING EVIL
How do you not realize how shitty you sound.
Remember, these are the people with such severe cognitive dissonance that they openly said “Chloe Bennet might be Chinese-American but she’s not playing a mixed race character on the show, and she barely even looks Asian" and yet somehow were shocked and upset when people explained how horrifically racist they were being.
I still have to go and remind myself that actually happened from time to time, because I convince myself that it’s so unreal that it couldn’t possibly have been true.
That really does put things into perspective.
It’s probably this “subtle” racism that accounts for the fact that we are overlooking the obvious fact that Skye has learned so much more from May in a short amount of time than she did under the Misogynistic Nazi who was supposed to train her. Instead of the fannish conversation centering around how amazing it is that another woman helped her find her strength (after a season of a man attempting to keep her in a submissive and powerless position) …
Fandom is positioning Skye’s strength as something bad, something negative, SOMETHING EVIL. The strength that May helped her find.
This fandom’s issues with race and gender continue to be gross.
There’s also the fucking hilarious confusion about this SkyeWard shippers live in.
In one hand they don’t want Skye to be tougher because then maybe she won’t forgive their Nazi dreamboat so easily, so they pretend they worry about Skye’s apparently fragile soul (SkyeWard shippers pretending they care about Skye is my favourite thing in the world, no matter how Skye-dedicated blogs they run, no one is fooled) and what evil May could have done to it (by giving Skye what she wanted, but fuck me if these people care about what Skye wants).
On the other hand deep down they know Skye as we saw her throughout season 1 would never ever ever forgive Ward or give his sorry ass a second thought relationship-wise. She would have to be rewritten completely and lose everything that makes her Skye for the ship to be plausible (Ward knew this and that’s why he agrees with help Garrett and Raina in the finale, after 30 minutes of sitting on his ass). So they sort of want Skye to be evil so she and Ward can be monsters together? Or at least they want her to be dragged through the mud enough that she abandons all her ideals and begins to understand poor, misguided Ward. Funny how the shippers’ desires line up so well with the desires of the people who want to violate Skye’s mind and body.
The only coherent strategy the shippers have is painting May as evil.
Friendly Reminder #045
Joss Wheden likes to make the “good girls” go bad/dark in the most horrific way possible.
This is… false? the only character I can think of who fits this is willow? and willow is WAY MORE SIMILAR to Jemma then skye. Like by a lot.
Jemma is the good girl of the show, if anyone is, because the fundamental thing about the “good girl” is she hates breaking rules. Skye loves breaking rules. She’s literally a criminal. Yes she’s a good person and like loves people and is nice and all that junk but that’s not what a good girl is?
Unless you are being very broad and basically saying joss likes to make nice girls get “dark” like buffy or fred? but I’d never classify buffy or fred as “dark” in a horrific way possible.
I dunno, maybe I’m missing something huge but the only “good girl” gone “horrifically dark” I can think of is Willow? I suppose someoene could count River from firefly but she hardly fits the good girl trope and is hardly dark.
And willow’s darkness becomes evident in like season two maybe even season 1 it’s not like out of nowhere and there’s been nothing similar happening to skye…
Also, whedon’s not running it, I feel like people need to be more aware of that…
Idk. Idk, idk. Idk why everyone thinks by getting darker, it means skye’s going to become like DARK AND EVIL. Because the show spend the wholeeeeeee freakin first season telling us skye is GOOD, she LOVES, she HELPS, her heart is pure and in the right place. Narrative wise, it would make no sense to turn her into s ruthless murderer after spending so much time emphasizing her goodness. If they did I would loose some faith in them as writers, tbh
the whole fucking show is about CHOOSING who you are. in spite of everything, skye CHOOSES to do good - CHOOSES to be good. once again, confessional-type tumblrs are complete garbage.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ.
Skye going bad would be the equivalent of Buffy going evil.
We never got that. We got supporting cast members going evil.
But not the goddamn lead protagonist of teh show.
IF YOU SEE DEPICTIONS OF WOMEN DEFENDING THEMSELVES AND THE BANDWAGON YOU JUMP ON IS OH MY GOD I HOPE SHE DOESN’T GO EVIL!!!!!!!!!!
Then you are telling a lot about yourself and none of it is good.
I hate it when people say Joss Whedon is running this show. Joss Whedon is not running this show. Maurissa & Jed and Jeffrey Bell are running this show. This fandom’s tendency to erase the fact that show has a woman of color as a showrunner is not really surprising, though.
And most people on every side of the fight are still in denial that Skye is the fucking co-protagonist of this show because everybody hates Skye so they can’t see her as the Steve Rogers figure of the show, the moral compass, the unshakable do-gooder, and assume that she is not going to have the struggles of a hero because they refuse to see her in that role.
Actually, not Ward, but a Wardstan. I realized that when tagging relationships in AO3, when you put the & it shows up in all their shipper feeds because it’s not the /. But, Skoulson are friends and lovers in most of my fics, so I include both (because I like that about them as a point of their relationship).
This is probably not technically correct, but also kind of funny my fics registered a complaint? Is it bad that I am mostly amused by this?
OMG THAT’S SO FUCKING RIDICULOUS I CAN’T EVEN.
Warstans need to shut the fuck up about the AO3 tags. Are they new or something? How many relationships where there’s a pre-relationship bit of the fic and then a relationship bit of the fic get tagged & and then /? ONLY ALL OF THEM. Try to go with that argument to the Clint/Coulson crowd and see how much your laughed at.
So they can post all the Nazi babies fic they want, and their disgusting AUs where Skye is a serial killer, and that beautiful fic where Skye had a nightmare about Coulson kissing her just so that she could go running into Ward’s Nazis arms.
No one in the history of forever has complained about non-con fics but they are such special snowflawkes (snowflakes for whom the whole thing hit a bit too close home because their fave threatened to rape his love interest, quick, better not remind people by allowing the existence of non-con fics) that they throw a fucking fit about tags and then they suggest that no one posts fic where Ward is evil (you know, like in the show) in the Grant Ward tag. What the fucking fuck.